Policy About Farms Being Listed On This Website
We strive to provide a resources that is
complete, accurate and current about Christmas tree farms, sleigh
rides and related winter events, services and products that are
offered to the general public. Our primary responsibility is
to serve the general public. Toward that goal, we will try to
list ALL Christmas tree farms and Christmas events that are open to the public, without
regard as to whether the farm has contacted us or not, or vice versa.
There is no fee to be listed on the website. Banner ads may
be purchased and they are clearly differentiated from the unpaid
We find information about farms from Google, the farm's own websites, Facebook
pages, news stories, Christmas tree grower associations, online
reports about the farms, customers, the general public and the farms
Whenever we learn from those sources that our information about a
farm is inaccurate, we do our best to correct it promptly. The
Christmas tree business is seasonal, so we typically make most
updates starting in October and then stop soon after Christmas.
How to make updates:
We encourage farms to help us maintain current, accurate and
complete information about their farms. We reserve the right to edit
the content for clarity, style, consistency with site appearance,
Any tree farmer can easily
update their listing by several means:
- Write a complete new listing using this
- Quickly make a few minor changes using this form:
- If these methods fail and ONLY if they
fail, (occasionally there are technical glitches for any
website) using the feedback form:
- In desperation, if all methods above fail, by email
- Consumers,. not affiliated with the farm,
may use any method they wish, but in general, the minor
corrections form is probably the most effective method:
We try to make updates within 24 to 48 hours. If you don't
get a reply from us with 72 hours, please write back!
Sometimes emails and forms do not work!
How to add a new listing
- Farmers and those affiliated with the farm should
use this form.
http://www.pickyourown.org/AME1.php?ADDT=ADD You DO need to
read the directions . When the form fails; it is almost always
because the person put the wrong information in the wrong places
(like an email address where it asks for a email address). The
form has sophisticated error trapping to force the person
entering the information to do so correctly.
- Consumers and customers should use this form;
http://www.pickyourown.org/suggest.htm unless they
have detailed information, then they could use the farmer's
form, if they wish.
How to delete a farm
Farms are ONLY deleted if they have permanently closed
and are no longer open to the public, this year and in future years.
Seasonal closures are not eligible for deletion; but the minor
corrections form has an option for closed until next season, closed
For the first year or two after notification of a farm's closure,
all contact information is removed and a note added that explains
why. See example below: This is done to communicate to the
general public, to reduce calls to the farm itself and to
reduce emails and questions from the public to this website asking
"What happened to... why aren't they listed?"
- Hutchison's Christmas Forest - UPDATE for 2021: They are permanently closed
If your farm is overwhelmed with customers,
We feel for you and can add a note like "This farm has limited supplies of trees and recommends that you look elsewhere."
If you want it completely removed we just ask that you do the same with all other online presences, so you do not put us at a competitive
- In other words, take down your own website, Facebook page, ask Google to remove your information and make the same request of
our competitor's websites. If consumers find your farm listed elsewhere, they will (rightly) conclude that our list is NOT complete and accurate.
A customer told me that "your website says":
We have encountered a very few farmers who apparently are not very
technically savvy and don't understand search engine optimization, who claim that "We are closed and
people are still calling us from your website". Once the phone
number and other contact information is removed;
that is simply not possible. Google, Facebook,
Yelp, Mommy Bloggers, and many, many other websites present their
own information and often copy information from this website and that copied information may carry tags and
information that identifies it as coming from our website, even
though that too is clearly false. However, a consumer may not
be savvy enough to realize this and will tell a farm, "I got
it from PickYourOwnChristmasTree.org", which again, clearly is not possible and not true, once we have removed the phone number and contact
The form to notify about closures is the corrections form:
Demands to remove a farm entirely from this website will
not be honored unless the farm is permanently closed and the notice
about the closure (without phone numbers or email addresses) will be posted about the farm's closure for the first 2 years as
noted above. After 2 years it may be (and is when we go through a periodic cleanup process) removed.
Reviews, comments and opinions
- Opinions and reviews may be provided by consumers and the
this website (based on our visits to the farm or direct
interactions with the farm and its representatives). Yes, that
means there may be both positive and negative reviews about a
farm, and they may come from consumers, visitors to the farms
and this website. False reviews posted by agents of the farm
will be removed and may result in a negative review being posted
by the website pointing that out. Free speech is indeed a
basic right in America. Farms do not have the right to
censor free speech. This is protected in ALL states under both federal and state law.
- Prohibited: Opinion and reviews that are found to be hate speech, sexual
or profane in nature, fraudulent, or violate any law of the
United States, will be promptly removed upon that awareness,
review and determination.
- When comments and reviews become outdated, and there is reason
to believe that they are no longer true or relevant, they may be
removed, so as to not mislead consumers or create a false
impression. Please write us if you feel this is the case, or when a condition or complaint has been corrected.
- Freedom of Speech, Freedom of the press - This website is protected by the U.S. Constitution and the
Rights provided in the Bill of Rights. Just as any citizen,
newspaper and any other publisher has a right to free speech, so
- A farm operating as a business that is open to the public
does not have a "right to privacy". A farm has no right to
demand that the farm's name, address or phone number be removed.
Google, Facebook, Yelp and many other websites routinely
publish information about every business without asking
permission, nor contacting the business; this is a part of
business in the 21st century; No one could afford the immense
manpower required to individually contact each and every
business. Google does not even do that. Any savvy business owner "Googles" the name and address
of his farm or business every few months to see where it appears
and correct any inaccuracies he or she finds on other websites.
- Farmers sometimes write saying "we did not give you
permission to include us on your website."
is not required, we are free to include your farm and write
about your farm's public business activities, like name, phone
number, email address, street address, nature of the business,
products and services offered, published hours of business, etc.
The farm's permission is NOT required by law in the United
States. See item number 1 above. Our forefathers fought
for this Right, and you do not supersede it.
Most commonly the very few farmers who object to being included on this website claim that the name of their farm, their open hours and dates,
the type of trees the sell, even their prices are copyrighted and they "did not give permission to be included" here. Everything said in that
statement is false; none of those things can be copyrighted. Here's some explanation along with some independent expert references: :
- Copyrights - See this page on LegalZoom that explains
you cannot copyright things like the name of your farm, common publicly available information like is address, phone number, website url,
Facebook url, product descriptions, etc. As if that is not enough proof, Google never asked your permission to publish the name, address, phone
number hours, description, etc, of your farm, but there it is!
- GapsLegal includes this, more examples of things that
cannot be considered for a copyright:
Information that is commonly known (that would obviously include addresses, phone numbers, email
Business, organization, or group names
Slogans, catch phrases, and mottoes.
- Facts: Addresses, phone numbers, hours open, etc. are facts not a creative work that can be copyrighted, The Digital Media Law Project also points out, quoting verbatim:
"facts are not protected under copyright law. As we explain in the section on Copyrightable
Subject Matter, copyright protection applies to "original works of authorship." Although the level of creativity required to be "original" is extremely low, facts do not have
the requisite level of creativity. For example, baseball scores, telephone numbers, dates of birth, and the number of people at a protest are noncopyrightable
- Here is another reference that you may find useful: 15 Surprising Things That Can't Be Copyrighted What
is copyright and which things can't be copyrighted? BY LARRY KIM,
- Fair use Types of fair use: The US Copyright office has a website dedicated to explaining the concept of fair use of copyrighted mater.
See Section 107 of the Copyright Act. Copyright law
identifies certain types of uses, including
as examples of
activities that may qualify as a fair use. Nolo
explains this fairly well.
- Fair use: Transformative: Our website quite literally transforms discrete bits of information about farms across the US and the
world into a means of seeing and comparing farms by allowing a figurative and literal) apples to apples comparison,.
Wikipedia provides a pretty good explantion of this, and none less than Google have won a
Supreme Court case over this very doctrine. See
Guild, Inc. v. Google, Inc., a case involving mass digitization of millions of books from research library collections. In the ruling,
the judge stated "Google Books is also transformative in the sense that it has transformed book text into data for purposes of substantive
research, including data mining and text mining in new areas".
- Fair use Amount: In addition, how much content is used also matters. Our website only takes very brief passages, almost
exclusively facts to help visitors understand what a farm offers, This passage is especially pertinent:
Amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole: Under this factor, courts look at both the
quantity and quality of the copyrighted material that was used. If the use includes a large portion of the copyrighted work, fair use is
less likely to be found; if the use employs only a small amount of copyrighted material, fair use is more likely.
You want to control where your farm appears and what is said about it
Let's say you're just someone who insists, "I don't care! I don't care about Freedom of Speech! I don't want you to publish anything about my farm,
even though it is open to the public and it appears on other websites, my own website, my Facebook page, Google, and your competitors' websites.".
In other words, you want to censor other's speech.
That you may not do. But, you can write your own listing anytime so it reflects the information about your farm better.
If that doesn't satisfy you, we can put a minimal listing, like this:
- Farm name - products, services
Address, Phone and/or email. Open: see our website. or Facebook page. (with links to Facebook and
website). Directions (link to a map)
Tree types sold and whether it is precut or choose and cut.
We could always ask customers for feedback and their reviews and opinions about your farm (like Amazon and Google do) and publish that. That
makes it a "review". As you must be aware, opinions are protected free speech, over which you would have no control whatsoever.
Patience always helps
Please be polite, as I will be with you. I understand you will get customers who will be upset from time to time. But, as you well know, that
does not make them right. Just because they say "PickYourOwnChristmasTree says..." doesn't make it true. Look on the page, see what we have
before you make accusations.
Any savvy business owner periodically, especially in the weeks before a busy season, googles the name and address of their business to see what
information appears on which websites about their farm. And then corrects it. The Internet is a powerful tool. It can bring you
customers. It can bring you happy customers if you are proactive and spend just an hour or two PER YEAR to do this.
Again, you can, at any time:
- Write a complete new listing using this
form: rewrite your listing
- Quickly make minor changes using this form:
Make a few minor corrections
Finally... we fight for our rights. We have lawyers on prepaid retainers. We WILL COUNTERSUE TO RECOVER LEGAL FEES AND DAMAGES.
Don't fight us; work with us!